Ron Paul vs. Mitt Romney…or Vicious Psychopath vs. True Conservative

Very recently I was asked why I hate Ron Paul so much.  Now it’s partly his racist anti-Semitic attitude.    Partly it’s his idiocy on foreign affairs.  Partly it’s his extreme idealism about economics that takes reality and history and ignores them.  And then there is his hypocrisy.  But most of all it’s his followers.

Paul vs Romney…the battle for the soul of the GOP between a lunatic and a conservative.

Paulbots are insane.  I understand focusing on your candidate’s strengths, that’s called intelligence.  But to deny minor flaws in  a candidate is intellectually dishonest…for instance, I will admit that I’m not the biggest fan of Mitt’s social policies, however, I don’t think that those will be his first priority as President and thus I’m not too worried about them.  You ever hear a Paulbot say anything even that negative about Ron Paul.  No, Ron walks on water.

Paulbots are psychotic.  Facts have no meaning to them.  You point out that Ron Paul’s newsletter was filled with numerous racist and Anti-Semitic statements.  They either tell you you’re a liar (even when you have proof) or say that he didn’t write those, it was just someone who wrote for the newsletter.  Okay that would mean that Ron Paul hired someone to speak in his name and was so poor an executive he chose vicious and unqualified people to work for him.  So he can’t even run a small business, i.e., he’s certainly not qualified to run a country.  And when the option is either Ron’s a racist or Ron is a bad leader it’s back to I’m a liar.    Because Ron walks on water.  Hallowed be his name.  His will be done in D.C. as on Earth.

And trust me I’ve got a million other things about Ron I’m going to go over.

This kind of mindless adoration has been seen before.  You saw it in Germany in the 1930’s.  You saw it Russia in 1918.  You saw it in the Manson Family.  You see it in Twilight fans.  And you definitely saw it in the Democratic Party from 2008 to the present.  And each and every time this mindless devotion to a person, idea or thing that is devoid of real substance leads to only disaster, chaos, and destruction.

But most of all this blind devotion to Ron Paul has made each and every Paulbot in the country more sanctimonious than Rick Santorum on his worst day.  For instance let’s go with this little article that seems to be attempting to go viral “Why I Am Endorsing Mitt Romney For President (And Not Ron Paul).”  There is wit, there is snark, there is rude sarcasm….this article which tries to insult Romney is none of those things– this is ignorance and arrogance deluded into thinking it is wisdom and humor.

The poorly planned/researched concept is that this idiot lists twelve things under the guise of supporting Mitt Romney, instead supposedly he tries to insult Romney and show that really Ron Paul is not the second coming of Christ, he is so much better than that.

Yes, why should I back a real conservative like Romney when I can back a friggin’ nutjob like Paul?

Problem is that in attempting wit the author shows himself to be utterly devoid of knowledge of anything other than talking points.  The author will of course claim it’s satire…but satire is using humor to bring facts to light…this article against Romney is an attempt at humor to make fun of people for being so stupid that they believe that 2+2=4 (when every Paulbot knows it’s 3).

Let’s take a look at the 12 points.

1. Consistency – Mitt Romney has been unwavering in his public devotion to the principles and issues that would help to advance the political career of Mitt Romney.

 

Oh, I get it Mitt Romney’s a flip flopper and Ron isn’t.  Except for the fact that Mitt Romney has changed his stance on one major issue abortion…and even that was more that he changed his priorities, he has always personally been opposed to abortion.  All other flip flops are talking points by the left, Santorum, and Paulbots taken out of context or just outright lies as I have shown here.

Meanwhile it is a fact that Ron “Dr. No” Paul puts in massive pork (Billions of dollars over his very long political career) all the while decrying that very use of pork spending and voting against it (knowing that his pork money is safe even if he votes against it).  That my friend is consistency.  That is character.

Let’s see how the two stack up on the next point.

2. Flexibility – Unlike Ron Paul who has been ridiculously rigid in his defense of the U.S. Constitution, personal liberty, a balanced budget and the sanctity of life (so much so that he earned the nickname “Dr. No” in Congress); Romney has shown that he is capable of rolling with the punches, going with the tide, changing with the times, and bending with the breeze.

 

Yes, Ron has been strict in his defense of the U.S. Constitution (except for the fact that he thinks we should tax the rich which while it may now be Constitutional is clearly against the intent of the Constitution), personal liberty (unless it’s personal liberty for people outside U.S. borders, if you’re outside the U.S. borders tyrants can be running a 2nd Holocaust and Ron couldn’t care less) , a balanced budget (despite his numerous instances of pork spending) and the sanctity of life (again except if it’s outside U.S. borders).   And in all of this time, 20 years in the House, unlike career politician Romney who has only served one term in one office, Ron has gotten exactly zero laws he proposed passed.

Meanwhile Romney who holds the record for vetoes (over 800) just goes with anything anyone said.  That’s right when the Massachusetts legislature wanted to nationalize healthcare and basically control the entire medical industry Romney let them…oh wait, no, he took the plan proposed by the hideously conservative Heritage Foundation and created Romneycare (which has nothing to do with ObamaCare) thus saving the private industry and the medical professional in his state.  And then he vetoed every liberal change to the law.  Did all of his vetoes get overturned?  Yes.  But he at least stopped them from killing healthcare in one fell swoop.

Like any politician in an executive position who has no power to legislate directly has he cut deals?  Yes.  Kind of what the Founders envisioned.  (Since you Paulbots love to praise Ron Paul the Constitutionalist…maybe you could actually read it sometime along with the owner’s manual “The Federalist Papers”…you might enjoy No. 10 where Madison goes into detail of how the system is designed to at times create compromise.   But, I know, reading is hard, and just chanting “RON PAUL REVOLUTION” is so easy…and really that chant does logically dismiss all argument against Ron.)

The fact is that Romney has always held true to his principles but realizes, unlike Ron, that getting half of what you want and making a deal is better than taking a stand and letting your opposition get everything and you get nothing.

 

3. Supporters – The top six donors to Romney’s campaign are banks (including Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan, Bank of America, etc.). Who knows what is best for the average American? Why, multi-billionaire bankers, of course. Obviously Romney’s supporters have the kind of deep pockets that can not only pay for his campaign, but also buy the kind of Congress that will make SURE that America will have another TARP bailout if we need it.  On the other hand, 97% of Ron Paul’s donations come from individuals. His top three donor groups are the active military in the US Army, US Navy and US Air Force.

 

I love Ron Paul supporters, who are supposed to be libertarians, always hate banks and business on principle.  Not because they’re currently corrupt and sucking off the government teat, but because banks are evil by nature.  (When you combine this with the rampant anti-Semitism in Ron Paul’s beliefs, you have to wonder what percentage of Paulbots sleep with a copy of Paul’s Liberty Defined and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion on their nightstands).

And it couldn’t be the very engines of a capitalist economy and the investors who know how to create a good economy might be backing the true capitalist?  Oh, no I forgot for people supporting a supposed follower of Austrian economics, Paulbots are often little more than socialist Occupy Wall Street whiners who want to engage in the class warfare of “Who knows what is best for the average American?”  I thought we were capitalists who believe that a good economy benefits all.  No, we should only care about the average American, only have laws to benefit the hoi polloi at the expense of the rich.  Damn rich people.  We’ll have none of those true capitalist laws that treat all equally.

Oh I like that 97% of Ron’s money comes from individuals. It’s true according to Open Secrets.org Ron has raised 37.7 Million from individual contributors (according to Open Secrets that’s 97% of his contributions.)

Meanwhile that evil evil Romney has only raised 97.1 Million from individual contributors or 99% of his cash. Wait…Romney is 2% higher on individual contributors.   Clearly the people are on the side of Ron and not Mitt.

Also I would like to mention that from what I know it’s considered poor form in the military to donate under you own name, usually it’s done under the name of spouses so as not to give the appearance of military support from active duty members.  But I’m sure it’s just cowards who are afraid of going to war.  Yeah, I said it.  If you’ re supporting a bigoted, anti-Semitic racist  who would let the world burn and are in the service, you are a complete disgrace to everyone who died in that uniform. Oh by the way, this is also an odd statement in the light of Romney’s overwhelming support by veterans and his endorsement by 50 Medal of Honor winners (only 81 winners are alive).    So please, don’t for a second spin facts to suggest that Paul is a man of the people and a darling of those who have served this nation (they deserve far better than to be associated with a little piece of shit like Paul) because he’s not.

4. Public image – With unrelenting national and international press coverage labeling him as the “frontrunner” (and now the “presumptive candidate”) Mitt Romney has tremendous credibility. He has pearly teeth, perfect hair, tailored suits and looks, well… “Presidential”. Ron Paul wears suits that could have come off the rack at J.C. Penney, has kind of a squeaky voice, talks for an hour without notes (let alone a teleprompter), and looks like your favorite uncle. You would never catch Mitt talking about things like “monetary policy”. Borrrrrrring!

 

Ever since the Nixon/Kennedy debates, right, wrong or indifferent looks have mattered.  It’s such a shame Romney lives in the real world…why would I want to support someone who is sane when I can back a person who doesn’t wish to demonstrate class, tact or self-respect when going in front of a national audience.  Here is Mitt talking about monetary policy and his plans for dealing with economic policy for 160 pages!   And yes I have heard Ron talk about monetary policy many times, however I don’t think I’ve ever caught him discussing monetary policy as if he actually understood it.  (Ron might be interested to know the gold standard only works if A.) there is enough gold for the size of the economy, which there isn’t anymore and B.) it only works if all the countries in the world are on the gold standard as well…but Ron would have to know something about foreign policy, which he doesn’t).

So public image Mitt:  Successful business man who is boring and knows what to do about the economy and has to have his handlers stop him from discussing his 59 point plan to solve the economy because they know it would bore most people to tears.  Reality is the same as the public image.

So public image Ron: A selfless public servant who knows what he’s talking about.  Reality: a lunatic who thinks the words “Gold standard” a magical spell that will solve everything.  Try it “Gold Standard.”  (No, don’t think that worked…?)

5. Freedom – Romney knows that the greatest threat to our freedoms are the “Islamo-fascists”. Not the Chinese, that manufacture everything that we consume and that we depend on to finance our national debt. Not the politicians, that treat the constitution like a blank piece of paper and the U.S. Treasury like their personal piggy bank.  [It’s drivel on about the Chinese and how you’re an idiot if you think terrorists are a threat]

 

Of course Islamo-facists aren’t a threat.  Ron Paul has said he wouldn’t have gone to war with the Nazi’s either.Ron doesn’t care about any form of evil overseas, not matter how horrific…and neither should you.  Like Ron you should

Show me anything that Ron Paul has said that even comes close to this understanding of what makes America great.

be a coward and you should show all the empathy of those “Good Germans” who sat by and did nothing.  And also remember Romney doesn’t care about the Chinese.  Even though one of the 5 things   he’s going to do on day one is impose sanctions for their illegal trade manipulations, and his grand standard for keeping budget items is “is it so important, so critical, that it is worth borrowing money from China to pay for it?” which to a normal human being who can read means he wants to stop borrowing from China. Yeah, Romney doesn’t recognize the threat of China…but Ron Paul is right to ignore the fascists who have promised to kill us all and who are trying to get a nuke.  And in all likelihood – they would use it to obliterate Israel first and America second.

 

6 &7. Foreign Policy [I can’t even stand to copy this stupid shit at this point.  Short version: Ron is right to end all foreign aid, where as Romney wants to just give bushel loads to everyone].

 

I’d love to see where these Paulbots think Romney has said he’s going to increase foreign aid.  In fact, given his statement about deficits, I’m pretty sure Romney will try to cut a lot of foreign aid.  Of course what this really all comes down to is aid to Israel.  Paul and his supporters think it’s wrong that we give money and weapons to Israel which only prevents Iran from completing the Final Solution (a plan I’m sure just warms the cockles of Paul’s anti-Semitic heart).  Sane people like Romney know you don’t let the one stable democracy in a region fall, good people like Romney know you have to draw a line in the sand on principle of what is right and what is wrong (hey wasn’t that point 1 of this idiot’s rant?), and people of character know you don’t betray your allies.  Ron Paul is none of these.

8.  National debt – Romney is against it. How do we know? Because he said so a whole lot of times in a very convincing tone of voice. And just as soon as he is elected president he will show us how we can eliminate the budget deficit without raising any taxes, eliminating any cabinet departments, reducing military spending, or cutting Social Security, Medicare, or any other popular program. How will he do this? Well he hasn’t explained his whole program but it has something to do with getting rid of all of those federal regulations that are smothering small businesses like Goldman Sachs.

 

Again, did you miss the 160 page plan?  The 59 points in that plan?  The statements that he will cut federal workforces through heavy attrition?  The fact that he endorses the Ryan plan to solve Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security?  The fact that he balanced the Massachusetts budget, with a hostile legislature, and without raising taxes with a liberal Massachusetts legislature (which I think, if he were Catholic, would qualify as miracles 1,2 and 3 if he was ever up for beatification)?  Exactly where are you lacking details on how he’s going to get this done?

May I ask what Ron’s plan is?  Oh I forgot he’s going fire everyone (yeah I’m sure he’s going to get Congressional support for that), audit the Fed, and of course …”Gold Standard” (Maybe it works better if you wave your hands like you’re performing a magic trick while you say it).  Yeah, I’m sure that will work real well.

 

9. Immigration – Romney is the only candidate who has had the guts NOT to come out with a firm stand on this thorny issue.

 

 I don’t even get this one.  Romney has been for tighter border control, against the Dream Act, against tax payer money to illegals, opposes amnesty, is for self-deportation (which is working even right now) and guest worker programs for as long as I can remember.

What’s wrong with that common sense plan?  This idiot is just making crap up at this point.

10. Charisma – Romney has tons of it. Almost as much as Obama. Why is this important? Because in 2016, when the national debt has soared to record heights and unemployment is still in double digits it will take a lot of “charisma” to convince the voters to put him (or any other Republican) back in office.

 

I’ve learned to distrust politicians in sweaters…(kudos if you get the joke).

I have no comment.  The stupidity of this speaks for itself.

11. Economy – Romney is a businessman. [Edited because I can only inflict so much idiocy on you, the link is at the top if you want to read it all]

 

Yeah, Romney is a businessman.  One of the most successful in modern American history.  And if you took even 30 minutes to actually do research instead of trade in propaganda platitudes and talking points you would know he has business and executive experience, that he knows how to surround himself with competent people who both give good advice and do their jobs well.  On paper this is everything you want in a leader.

Now if there are specific problems you have with the 160 page plan and it’s 59 points, fine, I am more than willing and eager to engage in real debate, but this socialist claptrap has no place in serious discussions.

The genius then goes on to explain how the entire economy is made up of the Fed and banks.  That’s it.  There are Special Ed. children in elementary school that have a deeper understanding of the economy than this twit.

And then of course TARP.  Evil evil TARP.  And because Romney said he supported it, clearly he can’t be president. Yes TARP was a horribly conceived and horribly executed program…but to do nothing as libertarians seem to

The darling of lunatics the nation over.

suggest would have been equally stupid.  For years government conspired to force the financial sector to give out all those crappy loans (and yes they did force and threaten them with criminal and civil lawsuits if they didn’t give them out) so while the financial sector is not exactly saintly and has more than enough blame to go around on its own, the government is equally at fault.  But the libertarians argue that after you’ve stabbed someone in the kidney it’s their responsibility to heal themselves.  Huh?  Yes TARP should have been drastically smaller and shorter, it should have been more targeted and not an industry wide panacea, it should have probably been designed to cure the shock wave after one of the major banks went belly up to prevent a panic not preventing them all from failing, but you know what, not doing anything would have been as bad if not worse.  And yes Bush, Congress and the Fed deserve a lot of blame for not doing a more limited plan, but that does not mean an outsider who had no say at any level of the decision making process should take the blame for supporting what may be the lesser of two evils.  So I can’t fully hit Romney for being pragmatic and saying, yes we need TARP.

12.  Electability – Romney is electable.

This last one boils down to saying you can’t get Romney elected without Paul supporters.  Give into us now.  Sadly reality, which has little value to Paul supporters, tells a different story.  I go one of the most accurate polls in America on a likely voter poll.  Romney wins if Paul runs, Romney if Paul runs…the polls tend to show that Romney is going to win with or without Paulbot support….in fact Paul pulls more votes from Obama than he does from Romney.  Go for it Ron run!

Now, one may ask why I feel the need to insult Paul supporters so much.  Paul supporters think it’s because we think we need them for Romney to win.  We don’t.

I hit Paul supporters because they are the blind following idiots as this article has shown.  It lacks facts.  It lacks reason.  It lacks research.  It lacks wit.  And there is no way on God’s green Earth that I would ever be able to convince this lunatic, no facts, no reason, no words would ever convince him that he is backing a lunatic.  And I go back to my first point this is the devotion that got Obama in office…it won’t work for Paul, but the Democrats will try to pull from this business hating pacifist crowd next time…so every conservative needs to stop thinking Paulbots, especially the ones on the fence, not as funny little lunatics but as people who need to be challenged.  Because if those Paulbots who are on the fence are not shown facts and reason now, you can damn well expect them to follow whichever charlatan the Democrats run in 2016…to hell with the fact that the economy will have rebounded under Romney.

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27 responses to “Ron Paul vs. Mitt Romney…or Vicious Psychopath vs. True Conservative

  1. Nick

    wow. you haven’t just drank the establishment kool-aid, you’re freebasing it.

    • Do you have an actual point you would like to challenge…or do you think that a poor attempt at wit is argument enough to prove that are you clearly right and I am clearly wrong? Because, I would love to know specifically where I’m wrong.

      • please excuse my english as i hate using proper form when addressing guys who obviously puts the second draft time in. yes i have a problem with your entire article, every attempt of your attack on ron paul doesn’t see the big picture. What i see is you agreeing with ron on many ideas but regardless you choose Romney due to his apparent elect-ability. your own blind faith is reducing you to ashes my friend, you really should stop drinking “the establishment kool-aid”. “I’m not the biggest fan of Mitt’s social policies, however, I don’t think that those will be his first priority as President and thus I’m not too worried about them.” isn’t an adequate excuse for electing a man as our COMMANDER IN CHIEF. sorry for using caps i dont do it often. If you don’t agree with him then don’t vote for him, our social policies are how our children are going to grow up and live. now i have an idea, how about mitt romney puts his support behind ron paul? all hes good at is running a business and ron can give him a position just to do that. as for flip flopping you are a liar, just find the ultimate romney flip flop collection on youtube. i have more issues with your piece, but you arent really worth anymore of my time.

        • Gosh – not sure how Cris will respond but I am appalled – did you read his article and look at the sites he used to back up his statements? What exactly is the big picture – the destruction of the US because we can not go back to the Gold Standard and we can not try Isolationism again – you are the one not being clear in your statement and I can not see how you are seeing the BIG PICTURE when you do not know that the things Paul pushes will not work or even get through a congress.
          Of course any sane patriot would agree with Ron on many ideas that refer to when he is discussing the constitution and looking at the FED but he has no real plans beyond that. You must be pragmatic in the real world and know that you can not just walk in and overturn 100 years of socialist tendencies in 1 day; you need to work through it with a long range goal that will not kill the country while accomplishing the goal. Paul does not actually go into any long range plans but Romney does – I think that speaks volumes when considering whom I would vote for. Businessmen are like that – pragmatic and realistic and work with long-range goals or The Big Picture.
          Again I have to say it is strange to state that if you do not agree with someone 100% you can not vote for them – really, when have you ever agreed with someone 100%. That is not how you decide on someone, it is whether you agree with them on the priorities and I think Cris has been clear that he does with Romney and certainly does not with Paul as his priorities seem to be Gold Standard and Isolationism and if you agree with those 2 issues then you are not very well informed.
          I think children tend to follow their parents example and how they are raised for social issues although society can have an impact. Cris, I believe is referring to only Abortion and Gay issues. And what he meant was that although Romney does not agree with abortion or believe in gay marriage he will not waste his time on those issues but if congress and others want to approve an amendment to the constitution he won’t fight it but he also won’t go out there and work to support it as it is not the priority of his job – I think even Paul agrees with that.
          Romney is good at business and good at government – basically he is good at planning and seeing the big picture and setting goals and knowing what steps to take to achieve those goals. This he has demonstrated. You have demonstrated that you follow talking points and do not research to verify anything, if you did you would know with real research that Romney is not a flip flopper as Cris indicated (he actually put sites in there so you could see the truth uncut)- there is no point in arguing with those who will not look up information for themselves but only want to follow blindly behind others as demonstrated by Paul supporters. Romney has extensive plans and you can read them on his site if you would like -where are Paul’s plans? Also you have already demonstrated that you do not wish to put time into learning anything new but only what you want to believe whether it is true or not. I hope you will reconsider and do the research and find out how inaccurate you are.
          And how come you did not address the racism or anti-Semitism charge???

          • I apparently didn’t care about the racism or anti-Semitism charge because it wasn’t true. His was article was filled with undue hatred. I shouldn’t have to argue for Paul’s own sake, he did that himself, because he probably is racist to a degree in his own head, as my parent and grandparents on my white side were. but to believe that anything could possibly come of those ideas is absurd and you should feel dumb for thinking like that as congress would not pass any sort of legislation dealing with Jews and black people. Now the big picture is beyond the next fall in line president, it is our future, our children’s future. Our civil rights are being impeded and we aren’t allowed to do anything about it. I for one do not want my son to be arrested and thrown in jail without trial for making a peaceful protest like Anonymous. Can you not see the police state we live in? Even the illegality of marijuana is proof that our government is taking away our rights. It seems to me that you cannot see the big picture as i can. “You must be pragmatic in the real world and know that you can not just walk in and overturn 100 years of socialist tendencies in 1 day; you need to work through it with a long range goal that will not kill the country while accomplishing the goal.” So having any sort of impact on socialist tenancies would ruin the country you say, i don’t believe that for a second.
            In four years he would be able to make enough of a dent that it would push the country in the direction it needs to go. I mean just look at the damage Obama has caused in just a short time. I don’t see Romney adopting any of these important civil issues, so nothing would change in the 8 years he would serve, you must see that. are we not supposed to make the change the way we can, anyway we can, instead of living in this environment?
            Ron Paul doesn’t need a plan, he has many ideas that need to happen to give this country back, he doesn’t need an ordered list in order to accomplish his ideas. And i do believe in isolationism, i am an Iraq veteran, i am well informed as to what war entails. it is the epitome of evil. The fact that you and Romney want to keep sending us into the fray is sickening. The gold standard is just another form of currency, I am tired of our dollar being worth 73 cents aren’t you?
            Abortion and gay rights, my idea is that people should have the freedom to seek any medical treatment they need. i believe people should be with who they want to be with and that shouldn’t affect how they live their lives compared to people who choose the opposite sex. Equality for all.
            honestly i don’t care if Romney flip flops, the fact that he is changing his stances proves that he listens to people, a good quality to have. but i don’t agree with his plan being better than Ron Paul’s. I believe they can both incorporate their plans if Romney would step down to V.P. and offer this country a team that is truly powerful. I apparently enjoy trolling you guys now, so please enjoy my future post’s. You have made yourselves worth my time.

            • “I apparently didn’t care about the racism or anti-Semitism charge because it wasn’t true. His was article was filled with undue hatred. I shouldn’t have to argue for Paul’s own sake,”
              Ah the powerful “la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la I have my hands in my ears and won’t listen to you la-la-la-la-la-la-la” how can my pile evidence of Ron Paul’s numerous racist quotes and actions (http://conservativenewager.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/in-an-argument-with-a-ron-paul-supporter-send-them-here/) compare to that. I am humbled before your superior logic.

              “but to believe that anything could possibly come of those ideas is absurd and you should feel dumb for thinking like that as congress would not pass any sort of legislation dealing with Jews and black people.” I recall reading similar statement before, only they said Reichstag not Congress…how’d that one turn out?

              Also I love how you are a man of such stout character that vast virtue that a the content of a man’s character or his propensity to evil has no bearing because, goddamn, the trains must run on time.

              “Our civil rights are being impeded and we aren’t allowed to do anything about it. I for one do not want my son to be arrested and thrown in jail without trial for making a peaceful protest like Anonymous.” You find a terrorist organization like Anonymous a “peaceful protest”…how destructive does a group have to be before it’s not “peaceful protest”?

              “Can you not see the police state we live in?” It’s getting there, which I why I would like Romney to come in and gut it as he stated he will do (http://conservativenewager.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/romneys-59-issues.png).

              “Even the illegality of marijuana is proof that our government is taking away our rights.” Really? Pot? That’s the big civil right you wanted to bring up? Not police stopping people from recording them? Not drones for surveillance? Hell even the government’s war on raw milk ranks higher for me! Pot. Clearly your priorities are well established.

              “It seems to me that you cannot see the big picture as i can.” It must be our lack of concern about pot, terribly sorry about that, I don’t know how we could ever be forgiven.

              “In four years he would be able to make enough of a dent that it would push the country in the direction it needs to go.” Yes because after two decades in the House and not a single bill of his having ever been passed, Ron Paul clearly knows how to work with Congress to get legislation passed.

              “I mean just look at the damage Obama has caused in just a short time.” Yes because Obama ignored the Constitution and ruled by fiat. Are you suggesting Paul should do the same?

              “I don’t see Romney adopting any of these important civil issues, so nothing would change in the 8 years he would serve, you must see that.” Except a stronger economy, more opportunity, less government intervention in our lives (i.e. less of a police state), a stronger military and thus more stable world…yeah what would Romney provide. I mean that would be so much worse than 4 years of Ron Paul where there is complete deadlock and Congress won’t even get around to overturning Obama’s crappy laws because Paul will veto even thing Tea Party members push through because it’s just not radical enough for him.

              “Ron Paul doesn’t need a plan, he has many ideas that need to happen to give this country back, he doesn’t need an ordered list in order to accomplish his ideas.” I want this on a bumper sticker! I don’t need plans, I have IDEAS! Much like your attitude to his racist statement, “I don’t need facts, I have preconceived prejudices!”

              “And i do believe in isolationism, i am an Iraq veteran, i am well informed as to what war entails. it is the epitome of evil.” No the people you were fighting were the epitome of evil. The way the US has fought war for the last decade is the epitome of stupid. Right idea (end tyranny) carried out without any plan or forethought. Why would they have needed plans on what to do after the Taliban and Iraqi armies crumbled, why one earth would they need plans on how to build stable democracies…I mean they didn’t need plans…They had ideas! And isn’t that enough.

              “The fact that you and Romney want to keep sending us into the fray is sickening.” The fact that you don’t feel evil needs to be fought when possible is foolish at best and reprehensible at worst.

              “The gold standard is just another form of currency, I am tired of our dollar being worth 73 cents aren’t you?” But it only works if all the nations in the world are on the gold standard. Otherwise anytime a foreign citizen or country comes into U.S. currency they can request it be exchanged for gold (without that right you have no gold standard) and then take that gold out of the country. If a country is on the gold standard by itself it will soon be out of gold…and then what do we use as a standard…or would you have laws that limit what you can take out of the country in direct opposition to the free market…and if you give the government the right to control trade in one area we all know that government never stops from going into other areas.

              “Abortion and gay rights, my idea is that people should have the freedom to seek any medical treatment they need. i believe people should be with who they want to be with and that shouldn’t affect how they live their lives compared to people who choose the opposite sex. Equality for all.” So let me get this straight here. These are the least important issues for me in the entire universe, but because I say that I disagree with Romney on these minor issues it “isn’t an adequate excuse for electing a man as our COMMANDER IN CHIEF” to quote your previous comment. Now, ignoring that the president’s role as C-in-C is one related to the military and nothing to with social issues like abortion or gay marriage, because I ignore these less important parts I’m apparently committing some kind of intellectual crime for supporting Romney…but you choose to again ignore issues directly pertaining to Paul’s character and that’s fine. Truly your logic is very different than our limited Earth logic.

              • i guess my logic is different than yours, it seems you love to use the Romney stance on everything. in fact you even use his escape tactics. Where to begin, first of all i didn’t discount any of these things “Not police stopping people from recording them? Not drones for surveillance? Hell even the government’s war on raw milk ranks higher for me!” its just one of the issues that is on my mind and almost everyone i know because i am a victim of this war. Not to say that those aren’t things that need to change, some are. but when i said a sentence as a validation of the previous sentences and it was the only one in there of the sort and you managed to take my other quotes out of context to discount me just shows me how weak both you and Romney are.
                I’m beginning to like this. Yes he has ideas, ideas that you are obviously afraid of otherwise you wouldn’t have attempted to make me feel like a fool, you didn’t. Go ahead make it a bumper sticker, i would love my words to be spread around. Because i am sure Ron Paul has some sort plan, its just not written in stone, he doesn’t need a teleprompter, he doesn’t need notes to give speeches. he uses his ideas to formulate his actions without needing to put them down. Something many people are not able to do*cough* Romney *cough*.
                “Except a stronger economy, more opportunity, less government intervention in our lives (i.e. less of a police state), a stronger military and thus more stable world…yeah what would Romney provide” military doesn’t make our country stronger, it weakens it, especially in this day and age. less government? oh fantastic you mean he actually agrees with ron paul? even better for him to step under as V.P.
                Economy is obviously a major issue which all the candidates are blabbing about, i don’t even pretend to fully understand the economy so i am not gonna try, you win.
                I just know that major banks received bailouts and proceeded to give their employees bonuses with the money. I love this country *pukes*. In fact didn’t Romney support this bailout?
                Yes Paul’s character is the character many people share in this country, the fact that he is a maybe racist and doesn’t show it or evolved his mind past it you would see, but apparently your failed earth logic has screwed the pooch again.
                I see your point on the gold standard, but i doubt everyone would be flocking to get gold for their dollar. don’t you? the interchangeability of our currency would fluxuate with the economy yes, but it wouldn’t let our dollar diminish to nothing with our rising debt. that’s what i am afraid of, our debt. as are you.
                “No the people you were fighting were the epitome of evil.” the people i was fighting were getting paid 50 dollars to blow us up, they see it as a win win cuz we are the dicks in their country. they are not all evil, the people who put both parties into that situation are part of the problem as are you.
                “Also I love how you are a man of such stout character that vast virtue that a the content of a man’s character or his propensity to evil has no bearing because, goddamn, the trains must run on time.”
                I have to address this with a definition apparently.
                rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
                noun
                1.
                a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.” the keyword here is usually, but can go the opposite direction, which it has obviously with paul as he is afraid of blacks by your link, so are all the people who lock their car doors when one is standing at the bus stop.You are guilty of this i am sure, you seem meek to me. racism has been around since the beginnings of man, to act like no one is racist is a blatant lie, to act like all people are not racist is also another lie. its all how their brain perceives people different from them. I am racist to a point and I am half native, i have a reason to hate white people since my great grandma was put in Carlisle indian school and is part of the reason why reservation life has changed our people for the worse. I hate half of myself for that. is that so wrong? its all about what you do with these ideas.
                Now anonymous as a group is amazing, you should join, they have many great ideas that pertain to giving freedom and equality “for the lulz”. before you brand them as a terrorist organization i haven’t seen anonymous kill anyone, or even physically hurt anyone. in fact most of them want to fight the government to get our freedom back, that isn’t terrorism that’s activism. i don’t see any violence there. Do i have to use definitions again? They also want to expose the lies the government is forcing down our throats. You may actually agree with these sentiments.
                “The fact that you don’t feel evil needs to be fought when possible is foolish at best and reprehensible at worst.” not when evil is not knocking at our door anymore, they see what happened. isn’t Osama dead? How am i at blame for believing that the people we have been fighting weren’t truly evil? Many people believe that. why do we need to mess with North Korea and Iran and the other crap countries over there, we don’t they haven’t attacked us and these preemptive war shenanigans really need to stop.
                Quit trying to throw your hate filled link in my face, its not working i already read it. its the reason why im still here writing to you in an attempt to change your mind. apparently.
                “I hit Paul supporters because they are the blind following idiots as this article has shown. It lacks facts. It lacks reason. It lacks research. It lacks wit. And there is no way on God’s green Earth that I would ever be able to convince this lunatic, no facts, no reason, no words would ever convince him that he is backing a lunatic.” and no words will ever reach you my friend, it seems you are just talking about yourself. Dah Neho.

                • I point out that a man has made racist statements and imply that a man’s character becomes his actions…and thus I am hateful. You state ” I love this country *pukes*.” and encourage others to “troll” my site and are thus loving and I’m sure more patriotic than I am. I defer to your vast wisdom, compassion and empathy.

                  • I call you hateful because of the language you used to make that point, The mans character is obviously above endorsing racism in these days. calling us robots with no thought, no bearing on whats going on, idiots and unwitty. the post was clearly satire, witty imo. an attempt to be witty to say the least. its not true brother, i know whats going on, i see it everyday. I meant what i said, i love this country, puking is the response to that. it has become disenfranchised with itself and thus is no longer truly america. im in love with teh constitution. which is more patriotic? Im loving these compliments brother keep em coming. I know you truly mean them. yes i want to troll you and have people help me till you see, but apparently you cannot. you should look to your own character flaws before judging others.

                    • Please I would love to see the light. Prove to me that my comments are hateful and not just calling a spade a spade. Prove that the facts I cite are incorrect. Prove it. Give me reasons and cited and sourced facts.

                    • “Please I would love to see the light. Prove to me that my comments are hateful and not just calling a spade a spade. Prove that the facts I cite are incorrect. Prove it. Give me reasons and cited and sourced facts.”
                      Challenge accepted, read the dictionary. Challenge won. Im not discounting your links in that post, how can i prove you wrong when the truth is staring you in the face. you apparently didn’t read the definition of racism or my explanation. or even attempted to understand. ill find a better writer than i to explain racism and its functions to you if you want. its really not that hard.

                    • Your definition is faulty. By it you claim that all people are racist. Not all people are racists. I couldn’t care less about how light refracts of your skin or where you ancestors stopped off after they left started spreading out from Africa, or even where you were born. It doesn’t matter. You are given a soul and a brain and everyone has the opportunity to rise about their circumstance or give into them, and that I judge them by their choices has nothing to do with their circumstance or where they came from, only with how they handled the hand they were dealt. I judge people by their actions and deeds and their beliefs when I believe their beliefs will become actions.

                      You claim that you, and I, and everyone is racist. As to yourself, well you would know yourself better than I do. For me the only people who have ever accused me of racism are those trying to deflect the accusations away from themselves. I just don’t care about race. And I know scores of people like me who don’t care either. So dare accuse everyone of being racist just to deflect the gravity your admission.

                      Now Ron Paul has made some vey racists statements, that he judges certain races inferior by the fact that they are that race, and he seems to have a special place in his heart for the Jews. This in my mind utterly disqualifies him from holding any position of power. Ethics and reason dictate you cannot allow someone with that kind of evil in their soul to hold office.

                      Now I have made a prima facie case that he is racist. Now either prove that he isn’t a racist or you admit that he is a racist and therefore should not hold office. Reason allows no other option.

                    • Ok, the fact that you scream he is racist from the top of a mountain shows me that you are truly racist yourself. why else would you care so much? i know black/red/yellow/brown people that have read and seen proof and still don’t care, now why is that? you are clearly white, you know scores of people? lemme guess, majority white people? i know a ton that are, and refuse to lie about it. I was surrounded by it in the military. after the civil rights movement it was suddenly taboo to talk about racism and how it makes them feel, so everyone’s out to try and prove that. you clearly have an ego issue, and you clearly refuse to listen to reason. why do i need to provide proof? i don’t. you say no racist can be a president but i can name a plethora of presidents whose policies proved that they were. “Ethics ad reason dictate you cannot allow someone with that kind of evil in their soul to hold office. “just a quick google search got me this. http://www.yahspeople.com/the-racist-presidents.html
                      just google and keep going down,. i dont have to prove anything to you but that you are a egotistical minority hater. you even hate ron paul supporters who are clearly a minority. you may try to talk high and mighty, but i see through you. next time there is a black/red/brown dude next to your car, roll down all your windows. feel that fear flowing in. that is racism in the modern world.

                    • And here we come to the crux of the argument. You believe that people are inherently evil, that those who decry evil are only doing it to deflect accusations against themselves. That inductive logic that because there are serious flaws in some then there are serious flaws in all without exception. That anyone who disagrees with you is lying which makes them even worse.

                      I believe that people are inherently good, that within everyone is a spark of divinity that can grow if allowed to. I believe that when we are provided the opportunity many (not all, but many) will rise above their flaws and show the heights humans can reach, not the depravity they can sink to. I decry evil and those who support it because I believe, as Edmund Burke did, that the only thing necessary for it to triumph is for good men to do nothing. People have flaws, oodles of them. But not every person has every flaw. We stumble, we fall, we fail, we make mistakes, and poor choices, but the nature of humanity is to rise, learn and make a whole new set of errors, each time becoming better. You just see us mired in the muck.

                      I make my choices and judgements expecting the best from people and critique them when they fall far below, and I will do so with the vitriol that their actions warrant. You merely expect the worst. And a belief this deeply rooted is not likely to change for you…and it would be a tragedy if I were to change.

                      Now, if you were being intellectually honest, you will admits that our core beliefs, the root assumption that is at the heart of all our arguments is in direct contradiction to one another…and we will never agree. I said in my blog I wasn’t out to convince the hard core believers like yourself, I’m looking to convince the people who believe in good in people before you convince them of your way. And as no sane person is even going to read this far down a list of comments, there is no point for you to continue trying to win them over to your side.

                      PS as to the flaws of previous presidents. I would say at least half of the people who have sat in the Oval Office should have been disqualified by ethics and reason, but I don’t mistake what should be for what is. But I can always vote for what should be. And while many clearly weren’t perfect, it is unfair to blame a person for not vastly ahead of their culture in some ways when they made great strides forward in others (as with many of the Founding Fathers)…they were men, don’t judge them by the standards of demigods, but rather by how far ahead (or behind) of their own time they were. Ron Paul is well well behind his time.

            • Well we will agree to disagree – I think Cris is irritated with what he calls Paulbots for not doing any actual research but I would not classify that as hatred. I do not assume that people have inherit racism as the ones I have met you can actually tell so I do not usually look for it or see it as I can never imagine why anyone reverts to that type of thinking – but then I have never been exposed to it so I am probably not qualified to discuss it other than to say it demonstrates a true ignorance in my opinion.
              While I do not mind carrying on a conversation I do get irritated when someone does not actually read what I write or intend to be conveyed and implies that I said something other than what I did say. So to continue this we need to agree to actually read what is written and determine it’s meaning instead of just assuming that someone is saying something they are not. I did not say nothing could be done but you need a plan/goal and need to know how you will get there and Romney has that and Paul doesn’t. You need to be realistic to know that the congress that you do not think will pass laws to hurt blacks or Jews will allow everything else they have done to be overturned in 4 years – not likely – that was my point – thus you need the plan and the steps to start dismantling a little at a time – you can probably get congress to start on that path.
              I am not sure I have your confidence in congress as they passed health care and other things I believe are unconstitutional so why do you think they would stop where you think they should? The more they get away with controlling citizens lives then the more they will continue to do it. Since I believe that most liberals are inherently racist I do not put anything past them – so I do not have your confidence. Then there is the issue of character which I consider the most important issue when electing someone and if someone has those types of flaws then they are capable of just about anything. My point being even if Paul is not racist/anti-Semite as I believe he has no character to have allowed anything like that to go out in his name and then to just say it wasn’t him – he should have been more contrite – but that is neither here nor there as he will not be elected. The majority of his supporters are democrats as demonstrated by polls and I question anyone who liberals will follow.
              I did do research on all of the candidates and although I like some of the things Paul says I can not support many others. If you do not understand that you need a plan then there is nothing I can say to convince you and you lack understanding of government and how people operate.
              I am sorry that you have difficulty living with your time in the service – I hope you are getting the help you need to deal with it. I am also sorry that the war was/is being handled the way it is (I personally believe that it is better to go in full force and end what you are fighting against – not prolong it). I have spoken to servicemen that served in Iraq and Afghanistan that do not feel the way you do. I do know that what we did to begin with in Iraq was good but it is extended and I do not believe there was a real plan to finish it up or what was required to actually win it. But I am not qualified to get into details as I have not served and have not been there and these are my opinions from what I read and people I have talked with but not from experience so I am not in a position to dispute how you feel.
              If you followed anything that Cris or I have written previously you would know that we support everyone’s right to whatever medical treatment they want at their own expense and we do not care what people do in the privacy of their own homes although I personally think it may take another generation for the majority of society to accept gay marriage. I personally like the government providing for Civil unions and religion providing for marriages and then everybody gets what they want. My only concern is how this agenda is pushing things in schools that are not necessary for children other than that I deal with people on an individual level only.
              Back to the fact that you need to do research the only thing Romney flip flopped on was abortion and lots of people change their mind about that all the time – as a woman I personally don’t believe that men should ever involve themselves in that particular conversation anyway as it does not concern them. And also drugs – legalize them all as far as I am concerned and then if someone commits a crime on drugs then that is the same as premeditation so then they can go to prison for the crime they committed not the drugs – if they want to hurt themselves again I do not care.
              Romney has demonstrated himself to be a true conservative and has a better understanding of economics than Paul does and he will start dismantling all that he can and fix what he can – he will be far more successful than Paul could ever be – you should follow Rand as he stands a far better chance than his Father and I like him a lot better. He actually has plans and ways to fulfill them.

  2. nicholasawesome

    I’ve decided i will probably vote for Romney in this election, although i still have my concerns about him playing political games. I’m really hoping for a president that will push to have the current income tax eliminated and going for a simpler/fairer system, i have not seen anything from Romney on this, perhaps you have heard something i haven’t?

    • Well while I to would prefer to see us go to a straight sales tax and eliminate everything else, I also realize that doing such would be a Herculean effort and probably a losing one for any politician right now…however points 1-7 of the 59 points are for reducing and simplifying tax rates (http://conservativenewager.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/romneys-59-issues.png)…and if you take that hand in hand with the Ryan plan which Romney has endorsed it will lead to a lot more money in everyone’s pocket.

      • nicholasawesome

        I really like Herman Cains 9-9-9 plan, i think that’s a really good stepping stone to a pure sales tax and its extremely simple…

        • It was an interesting start but a 9% sales tax has a hideously compounding effect by the time you get to finished goods (9% on all the resources that will be turned into parts, 9% on the part, 9% on the finished good, 9% to the wholesaler, 9% to the store, and 9% to you…if there are even 8 steps between resources and you’re looking at 100% tax on just the cost of resources, not counting all the added costs of labor and transportation in between, which all get taxed…all on top of a 9% income tax) so while it’s an interesting idea to play with it needed heavy revision. I would love to get rid of the income tax, but no one in power right now is suggesting that, I’ll take the Romney/Ryan plans with reduce personal taxes rates, reduce loop holes, and bring corporate taxes down to more competitive levels.

          • nicholasawesome

            I disagree that the 9% sales tax would cause a huge rise in prices, i mean of course any tax would cause i rise in prices, but there are already greater taxes then this in place:corporate taxes for example and taxes directly on profits and taxes for even doing business taxes for certain kinds of employs, taxes for not being “green” enough, depending on the industry you are in the taxes on your product may be more then the product is even worth like with cigarettes. A 9% income tax would be a huge decrease from the 35-75% that is being payed by businesses now, and i think the flat 9% sales tax is acceptable if all of the other taxes are eliminated, both for the sake of simplification and for the fact that it would actually be cheaper. Oh yeah i forgot to mention a tax on the fuel to transport your goods is being considered even…im sure there are a couple i am forgetting but my point should remain valid.

        • You need to learn how terrible creating a 999 plan would be, it would be regan all over again, lets raise taxes first than cut spending, it will never work like that, the dems will keep the new taxes in place and we will still pay the old ones, it only replaces in theory, lets see how that goes over in the dem senate. we need to be talking about ending the irs first, then how to cut spending, then reorganizing the tax code.

          • I’m not going to defend 999, I simply said had some interesting ideas to consider…but your plan also seem less than pragmatic in the extreme.

      • yea and balance the budget in 30 years, the ryan plan is bs, it doesn’t cut crap, go check out the restore america now RP plan and learn something.

        • How about this you give me a specific point where the Ryan plan is BS and I’ll give you 10 specific points where Paul little drug induced plan is stupid. Sound fair.

  3. idiot writer

    I feel like I just wasted 15 minutes of my time and dropped 20 IQ points after reading your article.

    Where do you get your facts? Fox News? *snark*

    • Well I get my information from numerous sites and sources– it’s called research. As a good portion of the information is hyperlinked, following the link would tell you where it comes from. Now I’ll admit I get tired of relinking stuff I’ve mentioned numerous times in previous blogs, but if you have a specific fact you felt that I didn’t provide a source please tell me which one and I will give you the sources.

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